The Five Wings recorded but hits did not fly off. Attrition resulted; there were only really three members after awhile, still including Grate as well as Butch Hamilton, whose voice had formerly resounded in the Sonics. Final sessions involving this group from 1955 still credit the group as Five Wings, one of many examples of inferior accounting in the music business. For Grate business at least improved to good when he became part of The Marvels, an ensemble drawing members from the Scale-Tones as well as two of the three remaining Five Wings. Another group for which Grate gets discographical credit was called The Dubs but was initially just a concoction of producer Hiram Johnson. Johnson decided to finally release material by The Marvels that had previously been considered not marvelous enough to actually inflict on the public.
The wisdom of that initial relucatance can certainly be questioned following the 1957 success of Don't Ask Me To Be Lonely by The Dubs. Things seemed to pick up that year for Grate but the group's acceptance lacked grandeur after all and by late 1958 The Dubs had been erased. While one member, Richard Blandon, moved on to yet another group, for others including Grate this seemed like life decision time. Grate went to work as a garbegeman, a move that can be interpreted as extremely sympathetic toward future biographers wishing to make puns about his name. Near the end of the '50s, Blandon got his old bandmates going again for a revived version of The Dubs which included the opportunity of recording for ABC-Paramount. In the early '60s Grate was responsible for the excellent bass parts on recordings such as the free-falling Down, Down, Down I Go and the liberating You're Free To Go. The group's final recordings were done in 1965 ~ Eugene Chadbourne, Rovi